Nearly a third of Americans – 30% – say people may have to resort to violence in order to get the country back on track, according to the latest PBS News/NPR/Marist poll.
It’s a sharp rise from 18 months ago, when 19% of Americans said the same.
Well, just WHO THE FUCK is responsible for pushing it off-track, hmmmmm? It didn’t push itself off-track. It was only a year ago when we had an economy that was the envy of the world, and was called Goldilocks, etc. What happened since?
I wish just for once that the fucking Republicans, most especially all the dumbass voters, took responsibility for all the trouble they have caused.
There is no historical precedent for an electoral solution to a descent into fascism.
There is no historical precedent for an electoral solution to massive wealth inequality.
Because of shit like this
No, there’s a growing number of brainwashed idiots that have been groomed to believe in powerful white men.
Fundamentally, elections were designed to be a peaceful alternative to the peasantry revolting against the government and beheading their king. As Americans come to grip with the reality that their elections are meaningless, their politicians are bought and their only alternative to fascism is fascism-lite with a pride pin (no trans ppl allowed though) this attitude will continue to fester.
Historically, it has always taken violence to remove fascists from power.
The problem with all of this is that the right is literally saying this exact same thing.
We dismiss it because it’s ludicrous, because they HAVE all the power, their guy IS the deep state that controls everything, but our media world has fashioned a narrative for our stupidest segment that they’re the oppressed underdogs.
Meaning, no matter what happens, even if we get our best outcome and drag this administration onto the White House lawn, we still have to live next to millions and millions of people who think we’ve been planning to do that to them for decades now.
There is no good solution that doesn’t involve some kind of new leadership that needs to be built from the ground up and will likely take generations to nurture and develop.
we still have to live next to millions and millions of people who think we’ve been planning to do that to them for decades now.
They already believe that. There’s no point in asking your oppressor if they are uncomfortable with you getting oppressed. Just ask any school bully.
It’s not a matter of asking permission OR rolling over and letting them get away with being stupid, violent, orcs, it’s a matter of needing a particular brand of leadership that can rein in our worst people’s worst impulses and being patient and focused enough as a political side to stay united and focused on making changes that benefit everyone. Otherwise we’re descending into a state of pure social decay as the system grinds to a halt because we don’t trust each other and we don’t even have clear sides in the conflict.
I don’t see our current population of the US being able to do any of this, so I don’t see revolution, even small-scale or “soft” revolution as being a viable option. We have to all get a lot more social and accepting of each other, we need to use our social skills and networks to rebuild the governing bodies in our communities on local levels and install representatives that actually represent us, and this has to be done in a way that eliminates the influence of corporations but also still raising money needed for political action. So yeah, we’re cooked.
So what though? If it gets to the point of having to violently overview the government, we’re past the point of precedent. We can just use their beloved AI to scrub social media profiles and purge them from the voting registry. Sure they’ll believe that was the plan all along, but we’d have a few decades where the scales were tipped so far in our favor that their children and grandchildren could be properly educated without all the revisionist bullshit.
That’s the key, right? You’ve gotta build a society afterwards that doesn’t perpetuate the cycles of abuse and enlightens people with education. One that doesn’t exploit anybody and doesn’t have a class structure that divides people. That’s the only way you can build a society that can reliably raise every child healthily. Any society that strives for equality like that will necessarily have to ignore the voices of those who want to hold it back.
There’s ample of evidence that a couple of decades to reeducate their children and grandchildren simply isn’t enough or doesn’t work.
We had a couple of decades to educate everyone about fascism,… and yet we’re here.
We allowed them to rewrite the history books. We’re here because education was so fucking bad. I grew up in California and was taught that MLK’s I have a dream speech solved racism in America and that the civil war was about states rights. There’s lots of room for improvement.
Trying to educate people who insist on being lost beyond salvation is a waste for everyone involved. If they love the sword so much, let’s let them die by it and let’s move on past their era.
Then you begin a thousand-year cycle of violence and reprisal for that violence until our great great great great grandchildren have no idea why they hate this group of people they live next to.
There’s a precedent for this, you might have heard of it.
Not always. The Portuguese carnation revolution happened without violence. Spain democratised right after Franco’s death.
How can you say “Spain democratized after francos death” as if the entire bloody Spanish Civil War didn’t happen?
By that same logic it seems that Germany also overcame fascism peacefully, because Germany democratized right after Hitlers death.
So violence, military coup or heart failure?
Heart failure sounds both easier and more likely.
Facebook clowns laughed at me when I said that you can vote in fascism, but you have to shoot your way out.
You can’t argue nazis out of your government. Churchill didn’t convince Hitler to back out of Poland over a friendly cuppa.
30%, 50%, 70% means nothing if no one takes action.
The French, the orcas, allegedly Luigi. We have to follow their example. Anything less is just glazing at how “comfy” sitting on the frying pan feels.
There is a critical mass at which point any spark can ignite a revolution, see Indonesia and nepal
I only glanced the article but a question we need to answer first is what exactly is violence?
It seems straightforward but in multiple countries now i have read politicians making claims about violent mobs while in effect it was destruction of property.
Aggression isn’t violence so i am curious how many people say one thing while meaning the other.
America, you have the right to bear arms for a reason.
Yeah, so we could quickly assemble an army without having to maintain a standing army. Spelled out extremely clearly in the second amendment.
Peaceful general strikes would be a better first option imho
Guns do not protect you from Fox News.
I disagree with Lemmy (and the growing public sentiment), but for the opposite extreme reason: we are beyond violence changing things. This is a propaganda/reality war, and truth doesn’t really matter.
There are only two things that counter propaganda.
Extreme direct violence. Since by necessity propaganda requires you to be at least 1 stepped remove from physical interaction.
Or long term mass and mandatory education and social freedom.
The second one isn’t viable at the moment so…
I don’t agree. Information bubbles have an iron grip on everyone. Extreme violence is hidden from the masses and/or spun and blown into a disproportionate response.
I would cite COVID as a recent example, where it literally infiltrated everyone’s houses and killed or almost killed, yet it still lost the information war and was otherwise forgotten.
The only option at scale is pressure points (like the Epstein files, an actual social security disaster, things like that).
Trump certainly does, or at least it’s what he claims.
Just because it will probably be, doesn’t mean you have to initiate it first. Not only is there a lot of preparation that needs to go towards a revolution that isn’t just arming and shooting, but it’s also better if the other side is the one to initiate it first. First is getting rid of the delusion that the federal government hasn’t been corrupted beyond repair, getting rid of the delusion that you can work inside a system that’s now exponentially worse than it was 4 years ago and somehow fix it. Then you can look at your own history and where power can actually be consolidated, and begin preparing knowing you are working against compromised social networks with the next generation of Cambridge Analyticas so you can’t rely on ignoring the elephant in the room.
violence is already happening, it’s just that people are too scared to fight back against it
not only that people not close to areas of violence are still too content, because they have thier creature comforts with them.
define back on track
Not fascism?
you mean covert fascism. many of the elements were there, it’s just out in the open now.
That’s your interpretation, but this could also be an indicator of fascists becoming more violent. Which is terrifying.
So what, are we supposed to ask fascist to only violate us slightly?
I never said anything remotely similar to that, I think you’re misunderstanding me. I’m just saying that the way a conservative or a fascist views “getting the country back on track” is very different from the way liberals and leftists do. I’m pointing out that the question targeted Americans as a whole, not a specific political leaning. Especially when conservatives have had their slogan he “make America great again” the idea that they want to “get the country back on track” but with a very different definition of back on track shouldn’t be that surprising.
