I’m not sure how people here can say they’re against genocide in other countries while praising and fantasizing about the collapse of society. The death and suffering would outweigh anything we’ve seen so far before any kind of equilibrium is reached.

I guess you can just go ahead and have your apocalypse fantasies, you will probably continue to live in comfort even as countless people are displaced and made refugees from population decline, environmental changes and the wars that will be sparked as a result.

It’s not a matter of asking permission OR rolling over and letting them get away with being stupid, violent, orcs, it’s a matter of needing a particular brand of leadership that can rein in our worst people’s worst impulses and being patient and focused enough as a political side to stay united and focused on making changes that benefit everyone. Otherwise we’re descending into a state of pure social decay as the system grinds to a halt because we don’t trust each other and we don’t even have clear sides in the conflict.

I don’t see our current population of the US being able to do any of this, so I don’t see revolution, even small-scale or “soft” revolution as being a viable option. We have to all get a lot more social and accepting of each other, we need to use our social skills and networks to rebuild the governing bodies in our communities on local levels and install representatives that actually represent us, and this has to be done in a way that eliminates the influence of corporations but also still raising money needed for political action. So yeah, we’re cooked.

I would have thought a single ship getting stuck in a canal basically bringing the world to a standstill would have woken people up, but we treated it like a funny meme 😭

I wish everyone worked in logistics for just like, a year or so. When you grasp how big and complex the systems are and how fragile they are to even small disruptions, you get immediately why demographic changes and population disruptions are incredibly scary.

A nation in Asia collapsing economically doesn’t mean “less people so less expenses” it actually creates ripple effects that can lead to millions of people starving on another continent.

It’s a massive problem when you have an older population outnumbering a younger population. We have a system that is built and designed around a certain number of able-bodied workers supporting the structures that this labor is built on.

It doesn’t even take very much to wreck economies and send nations into depressions or catastrophic collapse. Wartime in history has hurt small percentages of populations and caused this effect, but the declining birthrates we’re seeing around the world are going to be worse in the long run than even all the plagues and wars if the trend continues.

The problem is nobody can talk about it because so many authoritarians and fascists have coopted the issue and made it about ethnicity and immigration. This is a huge problem so don’t let the narratives spin you around.

Our problem is, once again, lack of community. In a world of information and isolationism, we’re not nurturing each other in positive ways, we’re not sharing love and empathy, we’re not helping each other so why would anyone want to have kids? To say nothing of the incredible costs of living that are basically preventing people from even having free-time, much less 18 years of focus on raising another human being. We don’t have paid leave, we don’t have wages that can support a growing family, we don’t have child-care and healthcare in much of the world, we don’t have incentives to bring children into the world and even for people who have all that lined up, there’s a lot of dread and pessimism towards what the future will be like, so people are also making a moral decision not to inflict more suffering on people who didn’t consent to being born.

I don’t see a solution that doesn’t involve major social reform. Cities will crumble, economies will collapse, and maybe eventually something better will come from it.

Then you begin a thousand-year cycle of violence and reprisal for that violence until our great great great great grandchildren have no idea why they hate this group of people they live next to.

There’s a precedent for this, you might have heard of it.

The problem with all of this is that the right is literally saying this exact same thing.

We dismiss it because it’s ludicrous, because they HAVE all the power, their guy IS the deep state that controls everything, but our media world has fashioned a narrative for our stupidest segment that they’re the oppressed underdogs.

Meaning, no matter what happens, even if we get our best outcome and drag this administration onto the White House lawn, we still have to live next to millions and millions of people who think we’ve been planning to do that to them for decades now.

There is no good solution that doesn’t involve some kind of new leadership that needs to be built from the ground up and will likely take generations to nurture and develop.

Papa Johns

Who was an actual piece of racist shit BTW, I would love to see him thrown into the mix.