AI scraping public code tempts me to dump all my projects into github to poison the training data
It’s love to see what it does with a several thousand line function from my production code.
It will refactor it into 5 lines. No need to reimplement the os for scratch to list the files in the current dir
Reminds me of this masterpiece
Incredible video, i should look at more they have done
So my projects can be useful too
This is misleading. For people paying for the IDE nothing changed, data sharing remains an opt-in option. For users of their free licenses data sharing was enabled by default. Still a shitty thing to do especially as it hits a lot of OSS developers but lets criticize that instead of creating memes that are misinformation.
I don’t think it’s misleading, or at leas the point was not to imply that they are forcing the data collection (which they are, for free users, but it is opt-out). The point is that they are actually downright emotionally manipulating in the blogpost. The blogpost in which they announce it, at least in my opinion, is written in exactly the same tone as the picture. They are basically crying that they can’t make a good AI without stealing your private data, pleading you to turn it on.
I’ve seen a few similar posts of products announcing AI data collection, and this one was the most unsettling, hence the meme.
They’re doing as much of a bad thing as they think they can get away with. I don’t feel a particular duty to carefully acknowledge that in some circumstances they feel obligated to do the right thing instead. If they don’t like the “misleading” aspects of that, they’re free to just do the right thing completely.
This may be controversial, but trying to collect the data of your free users to offset the costs of the infrastructure/resources needed to support the free users is not a bad thing - especially when you give those users an option to opt-out.
You make it sound like their goal is to do bad things. That’s not true. Corporations are not good or evil, they are amoral. They don’t care if what they are doing is good or bad - it just matters if they make money.
they’re free to just do the right thing completely
What exactly would that entail?
For me, the issue isn’t as much that they are forcing the data collection (on some/free people, to be clear).
I have issues with the way they are spending their development money, that I give them for the product. I don’t care about the AI hype slop, that apparently can’t even get good results (which they outright admit in the blogpost), instead of actually making the core features of the editor better. Everyone knows at this point it’s a hype bubble that will never be usable, and they are grasping at straws.
I don’t want to pay 200$ a year only for them to add a dumb chatbot and data collection into my IDE, or make the code completion dumber and random instead of actually being deterministic. So I don’t, canceled my subscription and I’m sticking to the perpetual license while slowly switching to nvim. But I can still make fun of them about it. I have been recommending JetBrains products for most of my life, and they have disappointed me with the direction they are going, so I’ll make sure to un-recommend it.
That’s fair, but that’s just a service quality complaint. It doesn’t sound to me like you are claiming they are doing “a bad thing”, as a moral value judgement.
The right thing is to make it opt-in for everyone, simple as that. The entire controversy goes away immediately if they do. If they really believe it’s a good value proposition for their users, and want to avoid collecting data from people who didn’t actually want to give it, they should have faith that their users will agree and affirmatively check the box.
If free users are really such a drain on them, why have they been offering a free version for so long before it became a conduit to that sweet, sweet data? Because it isn’t a drain, it’s a win-win. They want people using their IDE, even for free, they don’t get money from it but they get market share, broad familiarity with their tool amongst software engineers, a larger user base that can support each other on third party sites and provide free advertising, and more.
The right thing is to make it opt-in for everyone
How is that the right thing? I’m directly challenging this claim.
All I said was that free users cost them money, so it’s reasonable for them to try to recover those costs. I never claimed that free users are a drain on them, so I won’t even respond to the rest of your comment.
Opt out means “we will be doing this, without permission, unless you tell us not to” and opt in means “if you give us permission we will do this.” Codebases can contain important and sensitive information, and sending it off to some server to be shoved into an LLM is something that should be done with care. Getting affirmative consent is the bare minimum.
I disagree about what the bare minimum is. It’s not uninformed. They tell you about it, and tell you you can opt out. I don’t really see how that would be them doing it without permission.
Why isn’t “it’s informed and you can just opt out” good enough for paid users? They could’ve developed a single system instead of two if that’s a sufficient standard of care for users’ data.
sublime text is $99 for life and you don’t even have to pay it and they have zero ai slop :)
Kate is $0 for life and you don’t even have to pay it and they have zero ai slop :)
hmm looking into this; does kate have package repositories? i love sublime because i can essentially keep my config folder in git (with gitignored exclusions obvs) and keep my install in sync between laptop and desktop
That’s not quite true: Yes, your $99 license is a life-time license, but that license only includes 3 years worth of updates. After that you have to pay $80, if you want another 3 years worth of updates. Of course, the alternative is just putting up with the occasional nag, which is why I still haven’t gotten around to renewing my license
The mail I got makes it quite clear that you have to opt-in if you’re using a paid version:
Dear JetBrains AI user,
We are notifying you that on October 7, 2025, we will roll out an updated version of the JetBrains AI Terms of Service. The main change is in the data sharing clause. Previously we said we wouldn’t use your inputs, data, outputs, or suggestions to train AI models. This is still the case, unless you explicitly allow us to do so.
- For individuals using JetBrains IDEs with commercial licenses, free trials, free community licenses, or EAP builds who do not explicitly consent to the new data collection model – nothing changes.
- For companies that are unwilling or, for legal reasons, unable to opt in to the program – nothing changes either, and their admins remain in full control.
Important to note that the data sharing is OFF by default on all types of JetBrains IDEs licenses except for non-commercial tier until you change the settings explicitly.
For more details about the change, please read this blog post.
Other updates to the JetBrains AI Terms of Service reflect some recent changes to the JetBrains AI service. For example, JetBrains AI can now be used not only with JetBrains products, but also with selected third-party products. The service also includes a new feature that allows you to upload various content for indexing.
For the existing users, the updates will take effect on October 7, 2025. By using JetBrains AI after this date, you agree to the updated JetBrains AI Terms of Service.
Highlight by me. Personally, I don’t see a reason to be outraged. I’ve even used their AI products and they’re OK. They can take over dumb tasks or help me not having to look up documentation.
Am I missing something? Non-paid versions also have to opt-in, no?
My reading just based on the post above is that none paid versions are sharing by default but can be changed to off. All other versions are off by default but can be changed to on.
I don’t understand what the advantage to the developer is supposed to be to let AI scrape their code.
I think I misread a statement about existing users not having their settings changed possibly on an update?
For individuals using JetBrains IDEs with commercial licenses, free trials, free community licenses, or EAP builds who do not explicitly consent to the new data collection model – nothing changes.
The average coder is not worth learning from. Especially since this is targeting the free users by default who are usually students and amateurs. Quality over quantity, JetBrains.
I keep seeing EMacs,Vim, and Neovim recommendations, but I’m out here recommending people use Geany. It’s honestly the best code editor I’ve ever used since its 2.0 version was released. I have it setup with a debugger, an lsp, tree browser, a nice theme, etc. and it’s basically perfect. Free, open source, perfectly customizable, what more can I ask for <3
Edit: just want to say for those ppl already using Vim, it does have Vim mode. So, I think most of the hotkeys should work but I’ve only used Vim a couple times in my life, so I can’t vouch for how well Vim mode works.
Second that. Mu daily driver now. It doesn’t have every bell and whistle but by that same token it is refreshingly lightweight.
Vim is my preferred ‘IDE’ for C++, Python, Bash, and general configuration file editing. It’s got some big pluses:
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its text editing is superb once you’ve mastered it, but that’s a small part of its benefits when used as an IDE, and ‘Vim mode’ in other environments kind of undersells what else it can do
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Vim has some great plugins for development. YouCompleteMe is awesome for predictive completion and showing docs, but NerdTree for file management and TagBar for showing structure are amazing as well. They’re all very configurable and they get out of your way.
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Vim lives in your terminal window, so you can do splits and tabs using whichever terminal you like. Kitty is very fast and configurable and keeps out your way. Being able to have multiple tabs of Vim open, a tab for compilation, a tab for debugging, a tab for version control, a tab for man pages, and being able to flip between them without taking your fingers off the keyboard makes for a very fast workflow
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Vim makes it very easy to edit binary files and be precise about whitespace changes, so it’s easy to make a minimal change for raising a PR.
If you assign a hotkey to run a macro in Vim, then that can be made very flexible - saving and formatting all open windows, then invoking CMake to do a build and CTest to run all your unit tests can be put on a function key if you like. Trying to tell Eclipse to “just run CMake to do the build” seems to be an exercise in frustration; so many IDEs are terrible at “just getting out of the way”.
Work pays for an IntelliJ licence for using Java. Java is so unwieldy without a proper IDE that it’s hard to code in it without it. I certainly don’t love it, though, and they seem determined to make every new version worse with bizarre new features. Flexible minimalist editing with configurable plugins is all that you really need, and on that basis Geany looks pretty good - will give it a try.
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The definitely sounds like something to try. Thanks!
I suggest Pragtical too, but it don’t have built-in debugger
OOTL here. What did they do? Can’t find anything obvious on their News or Releases tabs.
if you pay you can opt-in to share your code
if you use free version you can opt-in to share your code.
if you are entitled to using a paid version for free (e. g. students, educators) you can opt-out of sharing your code.
EDIT: I was wrong, you CAN out out in the last case, which makes the meme even more stupid
I might be mistaken, but I think that if you use the free version, it’s also opt out, because IIRC it’s also an individual non-commerecial licence.
For individuals on non-commercial licenses: Data sharing is enabled by default, but you can turn it off anytime in the settings.
At least on the prouct page, the free tier is literaly called “Rider Non-commercial”, under Individuals tab.
there is a difference between non-commercial (students using pycharm ultimate for free) and free (professionals using community edition)
Basically guaranteeing themselves the worst code source.
From the other comments, it sounds like it’s opt-out for the free tier.
well, I recommend checking sources before jumping to conclusions.
https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2025/09/30/detailed-data-sharing-for-better-ai/
I didn’t jump to any conclusions. It was abundantly clear that what I was writing was hearsay based on secondhand information.
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Yeah… I slowly stopped using it and am just using vim, and getting docs from sources.
You can set up your LSP to work with nvim to get docs that way.
And with actual Vim.
But also with butterflies?
I use Acme.
Fuck sending data to companies. Emacs for the win!
Emacs for the vim?
I would watch my back if I were you:#
Did someone say Oo-mox?
No? Tympanic Tickle?
But what about neovim??
I think I’d be liable if my code made it through to a LLM
The thought of that is so funny. Not the company that stole the code gets held accountable, but instead the poor schmuck they stole it from to make their AI. Actually this would not even surprise me all that much.
JB is cooked
This is what finally pushed me to move all coding I can away from Jetbrains products. I wanted to to that for a while, because I didn’t want to depend on a closed system and wait until it enshitified. Now it happened. Sad to see, but it was inevitable.
gedit with coding plugins is pretty decent. i hear kate is even better.
absolutely no need to rely on proprietary software to code.
Please don’t ever suggest gedit or Kate is in the same ballpark as an IDE.
kdevelop?
Kate is amazing, which is not surprising given it’s a KDE app
i use vim and git push to my gitea instance. jetbrain can go fuark themselves.
What about Forgejo? It is a hard fork made by the Codeberg developers.
Context, please?
JetBrains is a company that, creates one of the most popular IDE for many programming languages. Although some of them are free, there is a paid option for 200€ for their full pack for a year (you can pay monthly, and you can choose a smaller pack or individual IDE). Also every year you pay the next one is cheaper.
They also have an AI agent Junie and an AI chat assostant, both currently running on Claude Sonnet 3.5 and 4 (can choose).
They also offer a free AI, which is running locally and can do very simple autocomplete and doesn’t support any chatting ability.
However, as you might know, AI usually needs some code to work with. This autocomplete AI can be enabled to run online as well, thus sensing your code to either JB or Claude.
Of course, both chat and agent require internet access (but all this online functionality can be disabled and everything can be connected to custom AI model running locally or elsewhere, except I think agent).
OP is implying that they want money for their IDEs, their AI, and gobble up code fragments.
Oh, sorry, I should’ve been more specific.
I know about JetBrains and their AI agent, etc. I’m wondering if they recently did a switcheroo on their license/privacy policy/something that basically states “all your code are belong to us” now?
The context is that they made a blogpost that’s written in, at least in my opinion, extremely pleading tone. They are basically crying that they can’t make a good AI with public data, and if you please could turn on their new AI data collection that would steal all your code. I’ve seen a few “we will use your data for AI” posts, and this was just unsettling, with the tone in which it was written.
I can’t really say why, but I find this style of communication pretty unsettling. It does have exactly the same wibe as the picture in the post.
So, if you pay for their IDEs, nothing changes, but you can opt-in into them using your data for AI training, and they are pleading you do. If you use the free version, it’s opt out and turned on by default.
Oh, not sure about that honestly.
