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    It’s more that the basis of private property is material relations and development giving rise to it, and the state exists to protect that. In collectivized society, where production and distribution are planned, there’s simply no basis to create a new state or new private property, there’s no utility in it whatsoever and no underlying basis for it.

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      How does a collectivised society plan or make big decisions without a state to make the decisions for them?

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        The state and administration aren’t necessarily the same thing, which is why I tend to stress the difference between collectivized and communalized production. Collectivized production requires the infrastructure of complex planning.

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            A good preview is looking at socialist states currently, but with fully collectivized production and distribution globally, no borders, and no oppressive forces like police to enforce property rights. It’s not that the state is killed, but that it withers due to becoming superfluous.

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              What socialist states don’t have police? I china, Vietnam and Cuba all seams to have police.

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                Yes, as they have class struggle and haven’t reached communism. Once production is fully collectivized does class disappear, and then the state becomes superfluous. Until then, it’s necessary.

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        In another wording, present levels of development suit private property more than public property for many industries, and in some areas cooperative ownership works well for agriculture. Building up productive forces ti higher levels of complexity and larger scales makes public ownership and planning more effective. In communist society, these lower levels of development simply do not exist, and thus the basis for earlier property relations doesn’t exist. It’s like asking why feudal kingdoms don’t crop up anymore.