For the liberals, a metaphor:
It’s the end of the American Civil War. The Southern lines have collapsed, the Union is surging. Robert E Lee and the remaining confederates, rather than surrender, decide to retreat to the island of Puerto Rico. The US Army moves to pursue them, but Spain sends an armada to point it’s guns at Florida.
Once ensconced on Puerto Rico, the slavers initiate a brutal anti-abolitionist crackdown that sees them murder tens of thousands of people. Then they proceed to implement four decades of martial law and throw at least 140,000 people into concentration camps on suspicion of being “yankee sympathizers”. Thousands more are disappeared into the jungle by the Dixie death squads.
Meanwhile, Spain floods Europe with propaganda about the noble freedom fighters of Puerto Rico and their valiant struggle against Northern Aggression. To this day, the face of Robert E “Memphis Massacre” Lee is stamped on the money.
The Confederates continue to claim sole ownership over all the territory of America, plus some of Canada for good measure. In taverns and coffee shops from Barcelona to Berlin, any mention of the USA is likely to be met with a self-satisfied “You mean West Puerto Rico?😏”
Saved! I’ll show this to people, if it ever comes up.
Fuck the ‘Democratic Socialists’ or whatever the succdems call themselves now.
I believe in the right of self-determination for all peoples. The populace of Taiwan need to consent to being governed by the PRC, and currently support for one China in Taiwan is very low, based on what I’ve read. That might change in the future.
There should be no outside interference or anyone trying to pull the strings, and the issue should be solved peacefully.
This point of view makes sense. Perhaps the best possible way to resolve the issue peacefully.
The populace of Taiwan need to consent to being governed by the PRC, and currently support for one China in Taiwan is very low, based on what I’ve read.
The state that currently rules Taiwan engaged in white terror and killed dissidents. The population of Taiwan obviously did not consent to that, but you accept their rule just fine. So, you are inconsistent.
Furthermore, that state is a collaborator for the most evil polity in the world - NATO. That means that the considerations of their population’s wants are secondary to stopping the horrors that NATO has been inflicting upon the world.
I have no idea what my political leaning may be labelled as, but that sums up nicely how I feel on this subject and many others. Thanks.
I keep wondering where they all come from? Is the CIA running a bot farm to downvote any post that calls them out?
yeah, its a farm called lemmy.world 🤣
Doesn’t Taiwan call itself RoC, while China call itself PRoC?
So they both are having claims, right?
The communists won in the civil war with wider support and the KMT escaped to Taiwan.And atleast some people on both sides seem to be thinking about reunification. I think the communists are more correct, but ultimately let the people there decide on how they reunify.
Right now, in Taiwan, most people just want the status quo. China is confident Taiwan will eventually choose full integration eventually, and the biggest obstacle is US presense.
Any chance you guys can get hobbies other than shitposts?
I sometimes wonder if the partly deranged flare of those propaganda memes is due to translation issuses. Why do opressor stans always belive just because you are against their opression you must be for the opression of their enemies.
Imperialism is cool as long as the people doing the imperialism call themselves socialists or communists 🙂↕️
Imperialism is when you have a civil war.
Liberals always think “imperialism” is when you say things about places you don’t directly rule. I am begging you to learn about unequal exchange and foreign interference. Imperialism is a process of incredible violence where labor and resources are extracted, finished products are sold back at a high price, and governments who resist are interfered with. Imperialism is enforced by organizations such as the IMF, CIA, and US Military.
If China were like American imperialists, Taiwan would have been reduced to rubble long ago. A better example of imperialism would be the attempt America has been discussing to steal Taiwan’s semiconductor manufacturing industry.
You don’t understand, western nations helped defend one side of the civil war and propped them up as part of a global ideological conflict they wanted to engage in with countries on the other side of the globe from them. Not agreeing to allow their proxy to act with impunity is textbook imperialism.
Imperialism is actually when you are the victim of imperialism, checkmate tankies. The real imperialists are the country that avoid projecting power outside their own border and hasn’t gone to war since the 80s, not the one with hundred of military bases around the world that they use to violently enforce their global hegemony.
I am not defending US imperialism, just criticizing a double standard.
Imperialism is a state seeking to maintain and/or extend power over other states. That is exactly what China is doing with Taiwan. Of course, unequal exchange is also a form of imperialism.
Imperialism is when you have a civil war.
That’s just wrong. What is true though is that civil wars more often than not are influenced by foreign powers trying to influence them to their own benefit.
All states influence other states. The point they brought up about “civil wars being imperialism” was said sarcastically.
Imperialism is where one nation financially dominates and plunders another. Conflict, bombing, coups, etc can all aid in this, but the fundemental baseline requires there to be plunder, not just influence.
Four decades of martial law and mass murder is cool as long as the people doing it say they’re fighting the communists😊
I love liberals so high on their own farts they just straight up ignore TAIWAN’S OWN POSITION which is that they ARE China and have a legitimate claim to the entire Chinese mainland. How dare the EVIL PRC oppose them 🙄🙄🙄
The PRC isn’t imperializing Taiwan, though. China is not dominating and plundering Taiwan. The US Empire is using its alliance with the right-wing nationalists that fled there after they lost the civil war against the communists in order to have a millitary foothold in the region.
China is not dominating and plundering Taiwan.
Really all that needs to be said. Imperialism is easy to recognize, because the enforcement is obvious. There’s an international organization headquartered in DC whose business it is to tell countries they’re not allowed to have welfare, and it’s not the Bank of China[1]. There’s a spy agency that overthrows governments all over the world when they don’t comply with its government’s desires, and it’s not the Ministry of State Security[2]. There’s a military that has hundreds of bases all around the world and has been in an almost continuous string of wars of aggression for decades, and it’s not the PLA[3].
Yep!
Imperialism is when you don’t concede that a bunch of fascists who fought and lost a civil war and then fortified themselves on an island with the help of foreign powers and violently purged dissenters get to claim to be the government of both your country and other neighboring countries. The more that you spend decades seeking reconciliation diplomatically instead of through military ventures, the more imperialist you are.
Got a text from someone that has been interacting with some folks from Taiwan on an international trip. This was how they described the situation.
They are in their 60’s and grew up in Taiwan and own an apartment in Taipei, returning often, both speak Mandarin. They said the Taiwanese do NOT fear China, that is the opinion of the US government.
Aah.
Posing a question on this same logic(I don’t agree with this, just asking to see whether you view it similarly. Also, assuming that you are USAmerican):
Are the Southern states of USAmerica under imperialism now?
Or is imperialism cool when it’s the Northern USAmerican states doing imperialism on the Confederate States?
