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Thats really cool!

Edit: Apparently voyager still had a previous comment stored, so that became a super fucking weird comment

I’d probably say nomacs.

It broke some things (horrifically) for me because headers didn’t get updated, modules didn’t get rebuilt.

To make it worse, I didn’t set it up. That shit is disabled now. Defunct. Toast. Never again to run.

I don’t like having to share my phone number, which is why I haven’t signed up. Or that every social is the typical - discord, bluesky, youtube, instagram.

I’m all for the idea, but they give me big privacy worries.

This is correct.

You used to have to go by city/metro area only, but now you can do it by search area. That said, you can alter your metro area or search radius at any point.

I think it means we like to be able to make full use…

Whether its a couple of servers with 4416+'s with 128GB ram and a pair of rtx 6000s or an 11yr old thinkpad w/8GB ram, its not the OS getting in my way.

It is very odd that anyone would place such limits on functionality on an internet-bound platform.

And a federated one at that! Creating silos like this is… Counter intuitive.

I’m having trouble understanding if this person is representative of flohmarkt or not, but either way, I don’t think they understand any of our questions or arguments.

They admin slrpnk.net, no idea of their involvement with flohmarkt.

I think its safe to say they don’t understand or don’t care about any concerns though, agreed.

It is a good design goal to foster decentralisation.

Its a shitty design that fosters silos.

And please stop demeaning yourself as a user. Are you a drug addict or what?

Stop being an asshole. I’m explaining a position and a use case, which is used for good software design.

This is a shit design. Many others have said the same and expressed their concern. You have decided to act like an asshole for no reason while I tried to explain why its a problematic design. You do that from a user perspective.

There is zero reason for you to suddenly behave like a rotten kid who was just told his toy wasn’t made well. Grow the fuck up.

Ok, now you’re just being an asshole rather than understanding why its a design problem.

We are absolutely done with this conversation now. Goodbye.

So what I’m reading is basically:

All the people who would like to use flohmarkt but can’t today can shut up or set up a server.

That is a really shitty answer.

There is no distinction between users and admins.

I’m sorry, but this is an absolute horror show of a sentence.

You can set up your own instance if you feel like there is a demand for it in your city.

Why would I need a whole new instance for that? What benefit is there to locking an instance to a region rather than a listing to a region?

Its not a technical limitation. Its not even a functional limitation for the trade or sale of someone’s stuff.

What happens when that server owner changes their region that they live?

Do you expect each person to stand up their own instance?

How do I, as a user, and lets assume I don’t have the technical ability or the infrastructure necessary to support standing up my own instance, use flohmarkt in the United States?

What technical reason is there for this limitation?

What functional reason is there for this limitation?

Please explain to me how I, as a user in the United States, can use flohmarkt, with the current servers available and online today.

Yes you need an account from the specific Mastodon instance to post on that Mastodon instance.

That was a Lemmy comment, but my mastadon post goes to all mastodon instances, regardless of region. Filtering or subscription is by hashtag or user. I do not get region-locked by my server to make a post, to read a post, to interact with a post.

But anyways, that is besides the point. A classified listing is by design lioation specific. All your argument seems to boil down to is that you are annoyed that you don’t have centralized accounts to log into different classified pages 🤷

No, that is not my complaint.

I, as a user, cannot use this solution. I have no way to use it, as a user, because the server determines region, not the user. I, as a user, have no way to interact with flohmarkt or my local or regional community, for reasons of a design decision that is not relevant in any way to a user or a listing.

I, as a user, can’t use flohmarkt, because the design of it does not allow me to. An arbitrary, unnecessary, forced limitation. Simple as that.

Commercial centralized online classified systems have a massive problem with ads from commercial sellers as a result, yes.

Lets go to the example from earlier - craigslist. They do not do advertisements. Specific types of listings cost money. That is how craigslist makes money.

Do you mean sellers who make listings in many locations? Does flohmarkt have any controls to prevent that? Because from what I can see… no, it doesn’t.

Again, lets return to the actual problem:

How do I, as a user in the United States, join and participate? As a user, not an admin. Right now.

I can’t post on a Mastodon instance with another instance account, only comment on people’s posts. This is the same way Flohmarkt does federation.

Can you create a hashtag for australia with your account on a US server? Can you create a hashtag for France while living in Poland? Can you create a post with a hashtag for Romania while living in Scotland?

I also can’t create an community on Lemmy with an account from another instance.

I can easily create a post for any location without requiring an account for that instance.

not a global social network obviously

So… whats the point in federation?

This is how all of these classified pages have always worked all the way back to when they were still printed in local newspapers or were just a pinboard in the local supermarket.

It is exactly how classifieds in newspapers or a board at a supermarket works, yes!

It is in no way how an online classified system (craigslist, ebay, offerup, etc) works.

Why would a classified site for Berlin allow you to post ads for Chicago? Just use a classifed site for Chicago 🤷

Because the same user regularly travels to both. A separate post would be absolutely fine, but I shouldn’t need an entirely different site for that. Its a listing.

And no, the Federation model of Flohmarkt is like Mastodon, Lemmy is the odd one out, but also Lemmy does not allow starting communities on other servers. You need a local account for that.

I do not need to create an account on a different server to post on that server.

I only need the one account. I am not blocked from posting in lemmy.ca because I live in the US, I’m not blocked from posting in midwest.social because I don’t live in the midwest.

Reputation via buyer/seller history on eBay. Not so much on craigslist.

On reddit, you’d have a bot that tracked purchases and sales and their successes, which would automatically post reputation on new posts/comments in each thread.

Lets say I live in the United Stats for 6 months out of the year, Spain for 2 months, Japan for 2 months, and Brazil for 2 months. Based on this design, I need servers to exist in 4 different regions.

Why?

If I’m on anarchist.nexus, I can browse lemmy.ca. I can make a local community on anarchist.nexus for my town. A user from feddit.dk can then browse and chat with me. Maybe they lived there? Maybe they’ll be back for a month in a few weeks! They can post about that in my extremely localized community.

If we switch that to items - that user from feddit.dk can’t post a listing to my local community, can they?

Why is it determined by a server region? Why isn’t it, for example, a server dedicated to listings about sports memorabilia? Do I care where the signed baseball I want to buy is? Do I care where the buyer is from that wants my tennis racket I’ve put up for sale?

What relevance is the region to the server? The relevance is to the listing.

Because the ability to post is locked to a server’s region.

As you said, I can’t go in and browse the United States listings. Why? What technical reason is there to prevent me, as a user, from wanting to join?

NOT as an admin. As a user.

Lets think of this like mastodon and hashtags for a second. If the hashtag were a location, why would I need to join aus.social to see the hashtag location for Australia? Why would I need to join mstdn.ca to see the hashtags for Canada?

I think the flohmarkt design inherently works the opposite of other federated designs. It is limiting by design, limiting server use by region, rather than what a user is choosing to follow.

I’m concerned I’m not explaining something properly, so if there is a part that isn’t making sense to you, let me know.