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    And when computers make all management decisions, let us not forget that managers told them to do so, lest we forget whom to hold accountable.

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    Managers aren’t being held accountable for their management decisions either.

    “Oh, I sacked our entire workforce and sold all the company assets, so the figures will look amazing this month.”

    <one month later>

    “Oh, the figures are down this month, a golden handshake!? Thank you very much.”

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      Most industries management fails upward. Definitely true in Pharma.

      There are CEOs with a 20 year string of development failures, but they bring “vast experience”.

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      It depends, though.

      There are cases where parts of a struggling company is worth less than the sum of its parts. At that point, the fiscally prudent option is to sell it off, either in one piece or multiple pieces. There are plenty of cases in American corporate history where the best option is to cut losses and leave a market.

      That being said, I’m surprised that private equity is still allowed to be a thing given the massive disparity shown in how a lot of financial disparity in how a lot of private equity companies run their companies against their fiduciary responsibilities to their companies’ stockholders and bondholders.

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    Ah, from back when people still had critical thinking faculties in good working order.

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          “Back in the day”, IBM was all suits the entire way up and down the ladder. They were considered the company for 1960/70s button down dress code.

          The hippie types were at MIT hacking on DEC machines.

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            I think that’s broadly true, but just because you work somewhere as oppressive as IBM doesn’t mean you don’t long to breathe the free air. I like to imagine some of the contributors to the IBM songbook felt trapped in their day job and grabbed at that as the only available creative outlet, and they had their own magnum opus that they were going to publish just as soon as they felt safe enough to take the leap. I can’t find any credits for the songs so maybe they did.

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        That’d be my parents who are dead and consequently not present, but thanks for bringing that up whilst completely stumping me with your eloquent, constructive and incisive counterargument that in no way proves my point.

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      You know “accountability”, it’s when an executive fucks up and gets to retire early with a multimillion dollar golden parachute.

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    A complete one-eighty nowadays…“As a highly paid “business” exec I have no ideas…computer, tell me what to do.”

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    Let’s be honest though, most managers, maybe ~60% could be replaced by AI. If you want evidence, think of anyone who goes to meetings, and those who go to meetings all day element 90% of meetings, at minimal. Those jobs shouldn’t exist. They are what people like Bezos/Musk believe should not exist.

    Now, how does one get from being nothing, and never being in meetings to being someone making money… You can’t, unless you know someone. AI is an “American Dream” killer

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    I can only assume the very next slide said, “But having a computer make battlefield targeting decisions is A-OK!” /s

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    I asked computer if I should read the article, it said no. Am I in an abusive relationship?

    That is ridiculous, clearly. I’ll use mainstream search engine, tailor made to my needs, to make sure it cannot happen

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    The computer can’t be held accountable, but the programmer and operator can.

    I could go on a whole thing about mission rules and command decisions here, but I’m sick of typing for the day.

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      Midrange might, but mainframe users pay ongoing amounts to IBM for however much compute they use for the life of the machine

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    This endless separation into “managers” and “not managers” is so unproductive. Everyone manages something. That’s why you’re employed.

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      Sounds like something a manager would say. Some of us produce, create value through our labor, while some sit their fat asses at a desk and only grace the production floor to make everybody’s day just a little more difficult. So you just get on back up there to the big house and let us handle things out here where you can’t hack it.

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      Everyone manages something.

      Most workers manage something and create value. Managers are only managing, remove them and nothing changes - usually things get more optimized, actually.

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      This is too facile. First, in terms of capability maturity, management is not the goal of a fully-realized line of industry. Instead, the end is optimization, a situation where everything is already repeatable, defined, and managed; in this situation, our goal is to increase, improve, and simplify our processes. In stark contrast, management happens prior to those goals; the goal of management is to predict, control, and normalize processes.

      Second, management is the only portion of a business which is legible to the government. The purpose of management is to be taxable, accountable, and liable, not to handle the day-to-day labors of the business. The Iron Law insists that the business will divide all employees into the two camps of manager and non-manager based solely on whether they are employed in pursuit of this legibility.

      Third, consider labor as prior to employment; after all, sometimes people do things of their own cognizance without any manager telling them what to do. So, everybody is actually a non-manager at first! It’s only in the presence of businesses that we have management, and only in the presence of capitalism that we have owners. Consider that management inherits the same issues of top-down command-and-control hierarchy as ownership or landlording.