I so wish this were representative. I have been trying to install nvidia drivers on debian and doing so bricked my entire workstation lol. If you know anything about this don’t hesitate to chime in btw
Mint has a driver manager application that makes installing nvidia drivers point-and-click simple.
Come to think of it, the three PCs I use on a regular basis all have nvidia GPUs (970, 1080, discrete quadro in a dell laptop) and all are running Mint. No problems, even playing games.
I even use that one script to unlock the number of simultaneous NVENC sessions after I update the driver.
You should know nvidia is the worst and it is definitely an nvidia problem. Nothing else (even DNS) is, such a pain on linux. Nvidia routinely ships broken software on their stable branch even for their top of the line consumer cards.
I have two 4k monitors and run many flavors of Linux as daily drivers. Plus I have a 4090. It’s not a super common setup but for a company as huge as nvidia they should be testing dual monitor setups and it is clear they do not. I have stopped updating my nvidia drivers after the 3rd time I lost basic functionality after a driver update.
No idea why you took this personal or why you assumed I didnt know why DKMS is. DKMS doesn’t work for every situation.
Nvidia has the money to ship a product that works and is compatible with rolling updates like every other driver in existence. Ive never had to use dkms for my amd cards.
I didn’t take it personally but installing core software packages from websites instead of using your distro’s package manager is the worst possible practice. Absolutely nothing that should be recommended publically without anyone with a clue protesting. I don’t really believe the “DKMS doesn’t work for any situation” argument either, tbh. Either there is a miodule matching your kernel, compiler and glibc then DKMS will just work or there isn’t. In the latter case you better believe in your distro’s maintainers’ descisions or you really know what you’re doing - and the fact that you’re overriding package management in a production environment tells me that you don’t. Better someone on the internets is telling you than your boss, believe me.
Bro I used Arch linux and installed via pacman. I think maybe you are confusing me for the guy telling people to visit nvidia.com and follow their instructions. Appreciate the lecture though.
Yea I heard nvidia is terrible with Linux. Unfortunately in my line of work I don’t really have a choice… maybe with HIP-RT… in a few years… let’s see!
I’ll be conservative with graphics updates then. Thanks a lot for the advice
Sounds representative, it didn’t even try to stop you!
Everyone else is saying secure boot should be correct. I was unable to load my nvidia driver until disabling secure boot, but I luckily had integrated graphics. What I think happened is you switched to to nvidia drivers that required proper secure boot before it would load. The drivers that are loaded before that don’t require secure boot to be setup so that’s why you had an output.
lol, yes. Thank you I disabled secureboot and it boots ok now. Thanks for the feedback it does help understanding a bit about how this all works. If that wasn’t obvious enough I’m a big noob with Linux.
Anyway, can I leave secureboot disabled and be fine? or is this MOK business something I should solve right now?
My understanding is secure boot is kinda worthless so it’s not that important to sort out. It let’s the bios trust the OS but that is a fairly limited attack vector. I don’t know enough about it though, so feel free to enroll the MOK keys bc it’s not that hard tbh, just annoying
Ok thank you! I’d do it but I don’t fully understand the implications. Can I for instance re-generate a MOK key from whatever distro I install next and use that?
Yes, but the problem is that it’s not that hard to wipe your personal files incidentially. An operating system can be replaced easily without deleting your /home partition (you did create an extra /home partition, did you?) but your personal stuff not so much.
And that’s why there’s three things you should never forget:
have a backup
have an automated backup (or you’ll end up having no backup at all)
have a tested way to restore from backup
Just argue against that fact, blame me of incompetence, know it all better, I’ll just laugh at you because you will as sure as the sun rises in the morning remember my words. Three times if you’re missing a single one of these three. Don’t ask why I am so definitely sure about that - let’s say it was a three step learning process…
Having a backup is not enough. Having an actual backup is better but still not enough. Having a tested recovery procedure is not trivial but usually is enough. I have not yet experienced the case when even that fails and I hope I never will.
I see, well nothing is at risk really since I moved everything to a different drive before trying this whole thing, and did a full backup on an external drive as well. I’ve been burnt before! and I’m absolutely going to use a live image to wipe the disk because for some reason, I thought I had installed Nobara over Bazzite but I can still boot Bazzite… anyway, big mess
The secureboot is borked apparently, which prevents me from booting anything. Fortunately I just had to disable it from the UEFI. It boots now! I have other issues but everything in time! I think I can fix them from a live image actually. Thanks for the help!
Thanks, the issue was with secureboot actually, I found how to disable it and I can boot again. As for nvidia I will wipe the disk from a live image and start over, I am not familiar enough with what you suggested to tackle it (for now…). Thanks a lot for the suggestion.
I so wish this were representative. I have been trying to install nvidia drivers on debian and doing so bricked my entire workstation lol. If you know anything about this don’t hesitate to chime in btw
Mint has a driver manager application that makes installing nvidia drivers point-and-click simple.
Come to think of it, the three PCs I use on a regular basis all have nvidia GPUs (970, 1080, discrete quadro in a dell laptop) and all are running Mint. No problems, even playing games.
I even use that one script to unlock the number of simultaneous NVENC sessions after I update the driver.
You should know nvidia is the worst and it is definitely an nvidia problem. Nothing else (even DNS) is, such a pain on linux. Nvidia routinely ships broken software on their stable branch even for their top of the line consumer cards.
I have two 4k monitors and run many flavors of Linux as daily drivers. Plus I have a 4090. It’s not a super common setup but for a company as huge as nvidia they should be testing dual monitor setups and it is clear they do not. I have stopped updating my nvidia drivers after the 3rd time I lost basic functionality after a driver update.
You should know how dkms works or get a job that suits you better. That’s an amazing level of incompetence for someone in a professional position.
No idea why you took this personal or why you assumed I didnt know why DKMS is. DKMS doesn’t work for every situation.
Nvidia has the money to ship a product that works and is compatible with rolling updates like every other driver in existence. Ive never had to use dkms for my amd cards.
I didn’t take it personally but installing core software packages from websites instead of using your distro’s package manager is the worst possible practice. Absolutely nothing that should be recommended publically without anyone with a clue protesting. I don’t really believe the “DKMS doesn’t work for any situation” argument either, tbh. Either there is a miodule matching your kernel, compiler and glibc then DKMS will just work or there isn’t. In the latter case you better believe in your distro’s maintainers’ descisions or you really know what you’re doing - and the fact that you’re overriding package management in a production environment tells me that you don’t. Better someone on the internets is telling you than your boss, believe me.
Bro I used Arch linux and installed via pacman. I think maybe you are confusing me for the guy telling people to visit nvidia.com and follow their instructions. Appreciate the lecture though.
Yea I heard nvidia is terrible with Linux. Unfortunately in my line of work I don’t really have a choice… maybe with HIP-RT… in a few years… let’s see!
I’ll be conservative with graphics updates then. Thanks a lot for the advice
Sounds representative, it didn’t even try to stop you!
Everyone else is saying secure boot should be correct. I was unable to load my nvidia driver until disabling secure boot, but I luckily had integrated graphics. What I think happened is you switched to to nvidia drivers that required proper secure boot before it would load. The drivers that are loaded before that don’t require secure boot to be setup so that’s why you had an output.
This is just an nvidia thing unfortunately.
lol, yes. Thank you I disabled secureboot and it boots ok now. Thanks for the feedback it does help understanding a bit about how this all works. If that wasn’t obvious enough I’m a big noob with Linux.
Anyway, can I leave secureboot disabled and be fine? or is this MOK business something I should solve right now?
Thanks again
My understanding is secure boot is kinda worthless so it’s not that important to sort out. It let’s the bios trust the OS but that is a fairly limited attack vector. I don’t know enough about it though, so feel free to enroll the MOK keys bc it’s not that hard tbh, just annoying
Ok thank you! I’d do it but I don’t fully understand the implications. Can I for instance re-generate a MOK key from whatever distro I install next and use that?
I believe so. You just enroll the new keys and then you’re good
oh alright. I’ll try it. I must have missed a step in the tutorial the first time, or mistyped something… Cheers,
Good news is it’s much harder to accidentally wipe/fragment all your files than it is to break your system
If anything is lost right now, you might be able to get it back just by booting from a live USB to explore your file system
Yes, but the problem is that it’s not that hard to wipe your personal files incidentially. An operating system can be replaced easily without deleting your /home partition (you did create an extra /home partition, did you?) but your personal stuff not so much.
And that’s why there’s three things you should never forget:
Just argue against that fact, blame me of incompetence, know it all better, I’ll just laugh at you because you will as sure as the sun rises in the morning remember my words. Three times if you’re missing a single one of these three. Don’t ask why I am so definitely sure about that - let’s say it was a three step learning process…
I won’t nitpick when your overall point is “have a backup” 💯
Having a backup is not enough. Having an actual backup is better but still not enough. Having a tested recovery procedure is not trivial but usually is enough. I have not yet experienced the case when even that fails and I hope I never will.
I see, well nothing is at risk really since I moved everything to a different drive before trying this whole thing, and did a full backup on an external drive as well. I’ve been burnt before! and I’m absolutely going to use a live image to wipe the disk because for some reason, I thought I had installed Nobara over Bazzite but I can still boot Bazzite… anyway, big mess
Thanks for the help !!
Like the hardware or just the install?
A live usb would let you in to fix it
The secureboot is borked apparently, which prevents me from booting anything. Fortunately I just had to disable it from the UEFI. It boots now! I have other issues but everything in time! I think I can fix them from a live image actually. Thanks for the help!
SSH in and forcibly uninstall all Nvidia packages, then reinstall them fresh following Nvidia’s website.
At least this has worked for me on Ubuntu on several occasions.
Thanks, the issue was with secureboot actually, I found how to disable it and I can boot again. As for nvidia I will wipe the disk from a live image and start over, I am not familiar enough with what you suggested to tackle it (for now…). Thanks a lot for the suggestion.