- Ads in an OS
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I hate that there is an adverisement for another article every second sentence.
Please just let me read the article in peace and put related stuff below.
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I installed Opera and used it exclusively.
Why do people use Opera? It’s a proprietary Chrome fork owned by a Chinese company.
I love Vivaldi, which is like a spiritual improvement on Opera. I switched a few years back, and once you get used to the UI and the key shortcuts it’s just such a breeze using the internet. Magnificently customizable, very nice little extras. ALAS! Because Vivaldi is based on Opera which is based on Chromium and Google came out and started blocking or restricting addons (the implementation of Manifest v3 blocks a lot of API block requests that ad blockers rely on), I went back to Firefox. Because fuck that.
Perhaps for old time’s sake. It used to be using its own engine.
Yep. People have a bad habit of sticking to their habits beyond the point of usefulness. Myself included.
Chrome opera doesnt even resemble old opera. Vivadli is closer, and is led by the same guy that led old opera.
Unfortunately still closed source
There is a good chance that this guy is a bit counter-cultural and does not want to use the obvious version of anything.
Look at the Windows mail client he tried to go with.
Chinese company
??? It being Chinese has fuck all to do with Opera’s issues.
And for anyone reading, just use Zen Browser, it is amazing.
China has a law that force a company to give to the government all his data including user data
US has NSLs. I expect China has the same. Better to avoid companies from such dangerously authoritarian regimes.
That doesn’t mean much tho, because authoritarian is basically a buzzword. Every single state in existence is authoritarian by nature. I recommend the very short read “On Authority” by Engels. That being said, if you are worried about your data being used, specially for nefarious reasons, being concerned with the US having access to it is pretty valid since they are the country on earth that loves to invade and bomb anyone that dares breath wrong, but I can’t see the same worry about other countries, specially China being very valid.
@lemmygrad.ml
I bet you have some interesting opinions.
You’re gonna come up with an actual argument or just demonize me because I’m a communist?
Begone, tankie.
Peak
piss off, lib
If you’re not a liberal, are you illiberal?
i enjoy being spyed on by china. and before the whataboutisim, i dont mind that the US or Canada spies on me.
I like when they watch.
ohhh my ;)
You can also be spied on by me if you’d like to.
Just send your search queries to me.
For extra espionage, I’ll even make sure to use non-privacy respecting search engines (like Google, Yandex, Baidu) and AI for your queries.
Sounds good.
#8 reawakened my nervousness about the lack of virus protection on Linux. With every milestone we celebrate it becomes more likely that malicious people target desktop Linux with their malware, and I don’t think the “Linux is inherently secure” mentality helps. I hope clamav’s on access scanner is fixed and improved so it becomes commonplace before there’s some big newsworthy scandal.
Granular permissioned access for apps from trusted supply chains is better than attempting deny lists based on signatures (AV).
I still use it, but I put way more effort into SLSA, securing containers, flatpaks, and limiting their blow back. From there its keeping up with CVEs in ways that do not create more or break functionality.
I will say A LOT of the Linux software ecosystem is was more secure than Window’s default.
There is virus protection for Linux if you really want it (both free and paid).
They’re either targeting businesses (so obscene prices) or clamav, which is buggy
Is there antivirus for Android? I mean there surely is, but Android does not really need it because it’s built from scratch to give each app as little permissions as possible*. Desktop Linux is going in the same direction.
* technically. This does not mean that Android is secure in terms of privacy.
Is there antivirus for Android?
Yes there is a Google Play Protect. There is also a service that checks every single App on the Store separately.
Though the effectivity is debatable.
There are third party ones but I have not heard anything good about any of them. I am not sure they are legitimate
Yes there is a Google Play Protect.
AFAICS this screens software before it goes into the store, or screens sideloaded apps on device before installation. That’s still far from antivirus as Windows users know it.
In theory it does all of below:
- App Scanning: It automatically scans all apps on your device—regardless of where they were downloaded (though it focuses heavily on apps from the Google Play Store and those sideloaded).
- Real-time Protection: It runs safety checks on apps before you download them from the Play Store.
- Periodic Device Scan: It periodically scans your device for Potentially Harmful Applications (PHAs), which are sometimes called malware.
- Warnings and Removal: If it finds a potentially harmful app, it will warn you, disable the app, or in some cases, remove the app automatically.
Yes, and it’s better. Each app gets scanned before it even reaches your device. You can’t do that on a PC.
The Linux desktop is not really going in the same direction as Android
Not that “antivirus” software any more or less useful. It is mostly snake oil.
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I’m not sure if you’ve spent much the in the industry but it kind of is
For sure. I recall installing an open source mahjong from the android google store when I bought my first ever android device about a decade ago. Instantly took over my tablet and kept throwing ads at me. And it got into the root and wouldn’t go away when doing a reinstall. Fortunately it was a super cheap tablet that I only got to toy around with. But I have had no interest in ever getting another android device since then.
You are talking about a decade ago, you should try modern android.
The OS changed soo much from that day
I don’t think a Linux anti virus program would be such a big security win. Phishing is the biggest security threat to most users, and no amount of software can prevent that.
Sure, downloading and running random shit is a concern, but people in that group are a bit of a lost cause. The best solution for that is to harden the OS, prevent running executables through the GUI, or from user folders (I think SELinux could do that), disable sudo on the user account, and only allow installing Flatpaks. The security of Flathub may not be perfect, but it’s a smaller attack surface than the whole internet.
But even if you do that, an Indian call center scam is still going to manipulate your grandma into buying Amazon gift cards, so… It’s a lost cause.
… but people in that group are a bit of a lost cause.
touche. I don’t think the existence of other threats is a reason to dismiss this one. And I don’t think simply prohibiting running random executables is sufficient as it isn’t ‘most users’ who are switching to Linux. The people likely to switch to Linux are also the people likely to want to run programs that aren’t yet distributed in repos. I can imagine a scenario where the malware is hidden in a program hosted on a custom flatpak repo and requires permissions for normal operation that’d make flatseal ineffective for stopping the malware.
The ideal anti-virus in my mind would ignore programs installed from official repos and on access scan ones installed from anywhere else. It’d also keep track of critical vulnerabilities to give you a heads up about updating your system.
Why are we shouting?
Anyway, don’t waste your time with “antivirus” software. That is not how you secure a system.
Your viewer must be parsing
#8as# 8.You’re free to not ‘waste time’ with anti-virus but I prefer the peace of mind.
You need to put a backslash before the hash tag. In Markdown a # is a headet
No? There needs to be a space between on piefed and that’s how it works on github too.
As Lojcs said…
The Markdown format expects a space after whatever number of
#s you put at the start, for it to be a corresponding level header.
Due to different parsers having different types of leeways, it becomes a bit difficult to make sure stuff always matches.
e.g. I was once mistaken about the way tabs work for multi-level bullets and numbering because GitLab had more leeway. Usingdiscount, I realised where I was being wrong.
That is not how you secure a system.
Yes, but projects like Wayland which are trying to do this get shouted down.
I was almost sure Wayland had succeeded… Well except for people still stuck on Xorg because of accessibility features…
AV is a joke. Best thing is ephemerality. No persistence
Immutable, ephemerable, granularly permissioned, and encrypt EVERYTHING to enforce said permissions.
1000x better than software signature hunting
You lost me at the encryption part. How does encrypting enforce permissions?
Enforces confidentiality and integrity.
Encryption on transports protects from man in the middle and sniffing. At rest protects evil maid exploits, which for these systems is more about preventing malicious software being swapped in place of trusted software.
The same applies to encryption of links like pcie and memory with the time of transport and rest changing.
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It’s all fun and games until some asshole slips something into your trusted package manager.
Exploits are the deal pain
Yep SLSA is more than just a trusted end point. Package signatures, reproducible builds, SBOMs, signed commits and more!
Well yeah, you need to use Linux, the Linux way to make it secure.
If you are running VSCode as root after having logged into the DE as root and installing extensions willy-nilly, it won’t matter that your RHEL has SELinux installed.
Whoever put autoplaying video with sound on that website should be executed.
you can and should globally disable autoplay in your browser settings
The click bait headline was a clue.
I’m sure there’s a gazillion “I tried Linux for a week” articles, and I really like that they turned this one around.
But it has little substance.
He tells us how to add a user in Linux, but “with Windows 11, I pretty much had to sell my soul, do a backflip, promise to kneel at the foot of Microsoft, and learn to fly. OK, that’s what it felt like.” That’s all. I’d have expected technical detail here. The other points aren’t much better imho.
That said they’re 100% correct on some points, and kinda correct on most others, e.g.: accidentally installing borderline malware through the Windows store is still Windows’ fault, if indirectly.
Yeah, kinda disappointing how superficial this article is
I would love some more details as well about why they found it so difficult. I tried it myself just now without really knowing how to, and it was pretty easy. You either find the option by searching, or go to Settings -> Accounts -> Other Users -> Add account.
They do try getting you to add a Microsoft account first and you have to choose “I don’t have this person’s sign-in information” and “Add a user without a Microsoft account” which is the only other option than Cancel at that point to continue, then you set the username and password and you’re done. To be clear, it would be better if they immediately gave you a clear option between local user and Microsoft account, but I would hardly call it selling your soul and whatnot.
But Microsoft for sure deserve most of the complaints they’re getting and it’s only getting worse.
selling your soul and whatnot
Maybe they saw a Mandatory arbitration clause in the ToS when creating a MS account?
Me in an alternate timeline where Linux is proprietary and the defacto OS on the majority of computers:
Hello, my name is Jack Wallen, and I’m a glutton for punishment.
Bro really wants us to know hes been a bad boy 😭
“I ditched Linux for Windows 11 for one day - here’s why its not a desktop for people who don’t need the features of linux”
This feels like an article for non-tech Linux users who hate Windows and want their bias confirmed.
Ok, that’s what it felt like
To me, it felt like an obvious imitation of the myriad of articles that often have someone try Linux out, shortly, and then – often with obvious not understanding or just a surface level insight – proudly and definitively stating (or, at least, subtextually implying) that Linux was interesting but clearly not ready to be a Real™ operating system, etc.
But it seems most didn’t read it as that, either.
Ah, maybe! I don’t have much experience with those kinds of article. If so, it probably nailed the tone such that I fell for it lmao
No you have only 1 problem.
Only nine now? That’s so much better than it used to be!
When I first tried Linux (Mandrake, many years ago), I could probably come up with 9 problems in just the first hour 😆
It’s easy to find nine problems in Windows too, so this is pretty good for a free OS, IMO. It’s great to see Linux gradually become more mainstream (aside from Android and servers)
Edit: I’m a dumbass lol
The 9 problems were in Windows. He’s going from Linux to Windows. Title is a bit easy to misread.
Oops, that’s what I get for being on my phone hours after I should have gone to sleep. I’m an idiot at those hours lol
I totally misread the title 😭
That is a very deceptive title. These are problems he noticed in Windows 11, not Linux.On first glance, I understood the title as saying there were nine problems in Win11; it might be ambiguous but I don’t think it’s fair to label it as very deceptive.
That’s how I read it first time, I don’t see how it’s misleading. I think everyone knows that Windows isn’t ready for the desktop.
I ditched A for B, and i found a few problems. Obviously the problems are with B.
That’s how I understood it, but you could read it as saying the author’s experience with Win11 revealed problems with his previous setup (i.e. Linux).
You could, but that’s obviously not the default way those sentences are to be read
