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and its so long! we must have stuck in the eternal september of 1984
Anything involving Copilot makes me happy to be a Mac user.
If you have a machine that runs Windows and the hardware is still good, it’s time to give Linux a chance. Look into Proton for gaming (it’s a translation layer, like WINE I suppose). And let’s stop acting like Macs are the odd one out. Macs run UNIX. Windows is the odd one out! ;)
We may collect information such as occupation, language, zip code, area code, unique device identifier, referrer URL, location, and the time zone where an Apple product is used so that we can better understand customer behavior and improve our products, services, and advertising. We may collect information regarding customer activities on our website, iCloud services, our iTunes Store, App Store, Mac App Store, App Store for Apple TV and iBooks Stores and from our other products and services. This information is aggregated and used to help us provide more useful information to our customers and to understand which parts of our website, products, and services are of most interest. Aggregated data is considered non‑personal information for the purposes of this Privacy Policy. We may collect and store details of how you use our services, including search queries. This information may be used to improve the relevancy of results provided by our services. Except in limited instances to ensure quality of our services over the Internet, such information will not be associated with your IP address. With your explicit consent, we may collect data about how you use your device and applications in order to help app developers improve their apps.
This is from Apple’s privacy policy
It seems to me like they collect telemetry just like Windows, and of course some Mac apps do have advertising which is personalized according to the beginning.
Apple has been doing extremely invasive telemetry tracking of your usage since before the release of Big Sur. Gee, I wonder where Microsoft got the idea to invasively gather all this telemetry from the user in the first place?
This is stuff they collect when you are interacting with Apple services. The problem with windows copilot is that it collects info about everything you do, even when it has nothing to do with Microsoft.
Does “our other products and services” not include macOS? I mean, you don’t stop interacting with their product when you open other programs. You’re using their product as a means of accessing them.
This is stuff they collect when you are interacting with Apple services.
Since you are being vague, I am assuming you are saying thats it’s only exclusive to Apple-made stuff.
You don’t know that, and can’t say bullshit like this as if you are an authority on this subject working at Apple.
Please provide sources for your claims.
Wasn’t the point of Apple always that they don’t sell the data to third parties and not that they don’t collect anything?
I don’t think people’s concern is that Microsoft is selling data, but that it is collecting it to began with. So for those people Apple wouldn’t be any better for PC use, since they are more likely to just be tired of pushing of account logins and data collection for desktop OS.
Point of Apple seemed more to me people liking the aesthics and performance of MacOS itself than seeing it as a privacy respecting OS.
That’s marketing bullshit that you fell for hook, line, and sinker.
No advertising company really sells data to third parties. Keeping data to yourself and only selling advertising spots is what brings money. Companies generally don’t like strengthening their competition.
Anonymised telemetry is different from collecting information to sell for marketing, though.
Of course, in the realm of privacy, everyone should know their own threat model. Anonymised telemetry is not a threat to me. But if it’s a threat to you (nebulous term — the person to whom I am replying, or anyone reading), then none of the big tech companies offer viable alternatives. You (same audience) cannot say Apple’s telemetry is a problem and then use anything from Microsoft, Google, or Meta.
For my threat model, Meta/Facebook has always been a bridge too far. Google has too, for the most part. I used to think Microsoft was fine, but no longer do. But, that’s just me.
There’s basically no such thing as anonymized telemetry. The data provided is so rich, it is inherently identifying.
Proton is WINE, it’s a fork maintained by Valve and Codeweaver with DXVK (Direct X -> Vulkan) on top. If you use Steam for gaming it will set up proton automatically for you.
And yes macOS is a step up from Windows, but it’s still a walled garden. Want to develop an iOS app? You must buy a Mac, you must buy a developer license, you must use the worst IDE ever created, and you must distribute it through the app store (except in Europe in theory, but they worked hard to make the experience so miserable that almost no one bothers).
Xcode for iOS apps is the shittiest IDE
You can definitely rent a cloud Mac, or use a virtual machine to achieve all that. FUD.
Are you joking right now? Acting like you just won the argument??
This isn’t about « winning the argument » you incel, it’s about DISCUSSION
Settle down. You’re on the verge of giving yourself skin failure.
You’re calling people names. It’s very obviously not “about DISCUSSION” for you right now. Those things are utterly incompatible. You’re presently seeking emotional gratification through abuse. The bizarre choice of “incel” comes across as projection when you talk like that.
Your previous comment missed the point so widely and smugly, it also fails to engage in meaningful “DISCUSSION”. It’s okay to say something stupid, just try not to be a raging asshole about it.
You’re the one who spewed that hostile shit. Fuck right off.
If you have a machine that runs Windows and the hardware is still good,
Linux is often more forgiving on hardware requirements. I recently put Mint (with xfce) on a like 2013 laptop and it’s fine. That’s not even an especially lightweight distribution.
A year ago I put kali on a 2008 netbook and now it has a new life to be my shop machine so I don’t have to use a touchscreen when I need a man with a heavy accent tell me how to replace the bearings on a 1989 planetary gear made by a company that hasn’t existed since 1988
Yes, it is. Mostly what Windows 11 won’t run on is not a matter of the machine’s capability of running the software, it’s more about the hardware security to back Microsoft’s DRM shit.
Even if Linux Mint isn’t especially lightweight, there’s a Linux distro for just about everybody out there. You could probably find one that runs on 00’s or maybe, possibly, even 90s hardware, it would look like shit, it might look like OSes from back then, but it still could have modern support for whatever you want to tack onto it. I will never underestimate the versatility of Linux and its community.
meanwhile NetBSD runs on toasters from the 90s
Doesn’t Mac have something similar to Recall that they caught less flack for? I wouldn’t trust Apple over Microsoft, they both want your data, Apple just has a façade of privacy awareness that they use to make sure others can’t get their users data too
The article you linked says rewind 3rd party, opt in, and stored locally. I don’t think anyone would have an issue with microsoft’s AI either if it was opt in and without telemetry.
Recall is meant to run and store locally. The pushback was around Microsoft likely changing this policy in the future, otherwise it’s the same thing.
Mac used to have Time Machine, which was an automated, timed backup system. I think it was deprecated in the latest build? I never used it (only been a Mac user since 2023). I seem to remember hearing that Time Machine volumes — drives set up for that express purpose — were not going to be supported in the new version, which came out last month.
I don’t remember Apple ever catching flak for Time Machine though, so we may be thinking of different things.
So yes, as previously established by someone else, Apple collects telemetry like the rest of them. They don’t sell it to marketers though. They are still a computer/hardware company, not an advertising company (though, they do run ads).
If you’re a gamer and you recognise that macOS is the worst computer platform for gaming, that’s fine, but tell it to a gaming community. You’re in a privacy community. I’m a gamer, but read the room. Not everyone in a privacy community is a gamer willing to sell privacy for a platform more friendly to gaming.
if only i didn’t have to use adobe products, i’d already be on linux.
Adobe products suck so fucking much, all of the linux alternatives I’ve used are better in every way (for my purposes)
i’m not against alternatives at all, but most of my industry is, and trying to get it all to play nice is more than a headache
I hate that for you. Adobe has gotten worse over the years, but I suppose I don’t have to tell you that. There are a lot of great alternatives out there — I probably don’t have to tell you that either — and I hope one day you can switch to them.
Of course, that’s why work is a four letter word, and you can’t eat your wants.
Preaching to the choir, friend! I’d love it if I never had to deal with premiere deciding to change its entire layout every six months ever again, but alas
Whenever I hear about heart disease, I’m sure glad I have cancer!
“Windows 11 is the best OS since XP”
🗒️ COPILOT IS LISTENING🗒️
Ceiling cat is watching you masturbate vibes.
Big BrotherCopilot is watching youAnd then 9/10 they would probably train that footage on AI.
Avoid all this with W11 IoT Enterprise LTSC
massgrave.dev
Windows IoT can have compatibility issues with software because they’re not the latest version of Windows (think Debian vs. Arch, but without Debian being the presumed default). Also you can’t get a license for it legally.
This is all stuff I’ve heard second-hand, but it turned me off Windows IoT. So now I main Linux and have Windows 10 on my old Laptop (AND FFS WINDOWS STOP CHANGING MY FIREWALL SETTINGS).
I’ve used windows 11 ltsc with games including ones that use anticheat like Finals and didn’t run into compatibility issues yet.
Feels like normal Windows experience except no copilot, no Microsoft store, no ads, no preinstalled tiktok/messenger. Just a regular clean Windows install without the need to run debloating scripts. All the ai updates that keep being pushed on regular Windows like paint and notepad aren’t present. Its just normal old paint and normal boring notes.
Its an experience closer to Windows 7 era before online accounts were integrated into the OS and nagging people to login.
Of course Linux is the better option.
My version numbers on 11 IoT seem to be bleeding edge for core fuctioning. It’s PERFECT for PC gaming, honestly. No Xbox, no gamebar, no AI, no shit getting installed after new updates.
The no license legally is why I linked massgrave. Permanent hardware activation. If they wont sell the license for the only good current Windows, then fuck them.
ltsc is fine but i have some issues with it:
1.App support will be like windows 10,fine for legacy or apps that dont get alot of updates but bad for newer apps (on windows 10 ltsc iot)
2.Your using a version of Windows that isnt designed to be used on a home pc
3. you cannot install microsoft store apps without workarounds,only exes from random websites(should be fine for most people ngl)
tho i do use it but mainly only for flashing roms.
your better off using a Linux distro open source,better in the long run and will support more only Windows apps(that dont need deep windows dependencies) with wine aswell as those windows apps having a native Linux version.
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It is still a fully fledged x86-64 Windows. You can install literally any program designed to work on Windows, legacy or not.
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It is still Windows, only they have stripped out everything non essential for reliability for high uptime, think ATM machines. This would be like saying Gentoo or Arch isn’t designed to be used on home PCs.
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You can install the MS App Store and Xbox app, and others should you want to. It just doesn’t come with them. I have switched all my friends to this Windows and half of them use it with Xbox Games Pass, and one like the ease of getting everything from the MS App Store.
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The common person might not want to use Linux for any number of reasons. This is as good as it can get for those who do not want to switch. Not wanting to switch is fine, and shouldn’t be shamed.
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For privacy since it’s an Enterprise version, you can disable all built in telemetry. It just takes some entries in things like group policy and registry editor.
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Is there a way to disable this? I still need to use Windows sometimes
I think if you uninstall the xbox app gaming copilot goes away. Might just be for the ltsc version though, which comes with a regular game bar and no Xbox app and only gets that ability from the Xbox app.
I am once again asking you to go to https://massgrave.dev/windows10_eol and use the instructions to switch your windows install to windows 10 enterprise 21h2 iot ltsc so your computer will receive security updates until the year 2032.
Gaming copilot is a windows 11 feature iirc and the game bar, start menu ads and a bunch of other stuff aren’t present on 21h2 iot ltsc.
I used WinUtil and PolicyPlus to hopefully get rid of all that BS (at least until the next update…).
Considering it shows on the capture widget, probably Settings -> Gaming -> Capture.
Reposting from my comment https://lemmy.world/post/37758804/20109240 which I recommend to check, as someone did a test with Dark Souls 1 and IMHO was unsurprisingly disappointing, namely it does recognize the game (honestly, not bad) and get the right boss (which name is literally on screen) and make kind of sometimes useful suggestions. But like… what’s the point? Who would play a game and… NOT know its name? Or not be able to search based on a boss name or a weapon name with existing dedicated good online guides?
Anyway… if you still want to try yourself WITHOUT relying on Microsoft consider :
"If someone somehow wants to test this locally I suggest
- install locally a vision model, e.g. Moondream (which Ollama supports but alternatives too), then
- take a screenshot of your game,
- write a prompt like “How can I play this game better”
- query the vision model with the image and your prompt
marvel at how pointless and costly the whole setup is and how a basic query on e.g. DuckDuckGo with “game name” + prompt would yield way WAY better results from actual human, uninstall the whole, keep on playing with your actual brain.
At least now you can say you tried before you complain, rightfully, that it sucks.
For more check https://fabien.benetou.fr/Content/SelfHostingArtificialIntelligence
PS: I didn’t actually try this, I’m too lazy for that right how but feel free to report back if you do!
Edit : 2 potential optimization (despite not being sure it ever makes sense in the first place!)
- do so automatically, e.g. ~/gaming_screenshots directory (via e.g.
Spectacleshortcut) monitored viainotifythennotify-sendthe suggestion, thus stay in game during the whole process - fine tune on specific visual datasets, e.g. rely on fextra as mentioned in https://lemmy.world/post/37758804/20113877
" and again feel free to share back results.
I don’t think the point is to be useful, but more to collect data on how you play and how to play.
If there was no user interaction needed I’d agree but here, AFAICT, the user still needs to ask. If it’s truly entirely pointless then once the novelty fades away it won’t be used which deprived of precious data points, namely user feedback. For non interactive use I imagine streaming provides already a lot.
Someone should create CoPirate for Linux, that saves a DRM-free local copy of everyone else’s data that goes through your machine. For training purposes, of course.
Le illuminati
