Claim: absolutely true shit said by somebody I don’t want to think is right
Reality: the most genocidal, warmongering, racist country ever told me “nah bro it wasn’t like that” and I identify with them so much that I just took their word for it
You clearly haven’t spoken to very many Venezuelans, have you? I have lots of extended family there, and I can assure you, they don’t support Maduro. The only people that still do, are either being bribed or extorted.
There aren’t very many “true Chavistas” left. And the ones that are still there, also don’t unanimously support Maduro. Chavez was inspirational. Maduro is just incompetent.
My bad I didn’t know you knew a statistically significant portion of venezuelans of a random array of educational, economic, and cultural backgrounds. This is for real the first time some gringo tells me they know a Russian/Venezuelan/Cuban/Chinese/whatever somebody (making them basically an authority on the subject).
I guess the sanctions that were designed precisely for the purpose of causing unrest have nothing to do with the people desperate or angry enough to go to those Nazi-ass countries being very dissatisfied with the situation at home. What a fucking revelation, I’m telling you.
Dude. Venezuelans know enough about their own country’s political climate to know when things are not as they seem. This is especially true when 2/3rds of the country voted against him in the last election. It’s pretty hard to gaslight that many people, all at once. If it was “close”, people wouldn’t all be looking around at each other saying, “What the fuck just happened?”
And if you want to talk about how bad the sanctions are, maybe explain why everything Maduro does in response to those sanctions, actually makes things worse for regular Venezuelans? Every policy he puts in place, makes it even harder for people to buy things, or to save money, or even just to find work.
You tell me. What do you know about what people are going through there? I don’t know anyone who thinks what Maduro has done, has made anything better for them. He’s had over ten years to make some kind of progress…but all he’s done is abandon all the policies that actually helped people, and implement new ones punishing people just for trying to get by on their own.
Venezuela: Overview of U.S. Sanctions
For over 17 years, the United States has imposed sanctions in response to activities of the Venezuelan government and Venezuelan individuals.
Venezuela isn’t being hit any harder than any other country the US has beef with. Those other countries aren’t all collapsing under the weight of those sanctions. In every other case, they’ve managed to find a stable equilibrium within their own means. So, why is Venezuela so different? Why isn’t Iran experiencing rolling blackouts in a weekly basis? Why is Cuba able to fund cutting edge medical research?
Venezuela has no shortage of natural resources at its disposal, and also no shortage of countries willing to do business with them, despite the sanctions. There is no reason why they should have failed so completely, to maintain even a minimum level of economic stability.
But, they haven’t. They’re unique in both their economic and infrastructural collapse, as well as their out of control inflation. Almost everything they’ve done over the last two decades has made their situation worse than it should have been. It’s like they took all the available options, and chose the ones that would cause the most damage.
Nope. My wife is Venezuelan, and most of her family were originally Chavez supporters. None of them still support Maduro at this point. He isn’t even a Socialist. He’s just an opportunistic parasite that’s taking advantage of what Chavez tried to build.
At first, they were angry…but that was before Maduro took over. Now they just wish someone would get it over with…just hopefully without a lot of collateral damage. The shittiest part about it all is, most people there now, look at Trump like he’s the one that’s going to save them.
How fucked up is that? Things there have gotten so bad, that people even think Trump is offering something better.
Maduro using the USA as a bogeyman is a lot different from going to war with the USA.
At this point, the USA is looking for an excuse to go to war and Maduro has backed down from a lot of positions to keep the USA from having any excuses.
The first Trump administration did the same thing to Iran that this administration is trying to do to Venezuela, get the weaker nation to do something that would be construed as a casus belli to justify regime change. Trump wants to be a wartime president without being the aggressor.
Maduro may be bleeding support, but Venezuela can’t win a war against the USA and Trump is looking for any excuse to go to war. Having an American ship parked off shore should be enough to pull in some patriotic support. However, any aggression against the USA now could be used as an excuse for regime change.
Except there was no regime change in Iran. They just rattled their swords for the crowd, which is all they’re doing now.
And for the record, the US has a long history of losing to so-called “weaker countries”, when asymmetrical warfare is involved. The only war they actually managed to “finish” recently, was the invasion of Iraq…and that was largely because the Iraqi population wasn’t actually trying to fight back. Venezuela would not be the same.
And I’m not trying to say this would be a smart move by Maduro…just desperation. Right now, half the population in Venezuela don’t even believe the government when they say there’s an American fleet parked offshore. The government has been saying shit like that every other week for the last 12 years, and it always turns out to either be totally overblown, or straight up bullshit. People there just aren’t buying into the propaganda like they used to. Which is never a good sign for a dictatorship that relies on fear mongering, in order to maintain loyalty.
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#RuthkandaForever
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Claim: absolutely true shit said by somebody I don’t want to think is right
Reality: the most genocidal, warmongering, racist country ever told me “nah bro it wasn’t like that” and I identify with them so much that I just took their word for it
You clearly haven’t spoken to very many Venezuelans, have you? I have lots of extended family there, and I can assure you, they don’t support Maduro. The only people that still do, are either being bribed or extorted.
There aren’t very many “true Chavistas” left. And the ones that are still there, also don’t unanimously support Maduro. Chavez was inspirational. Maduro is just incompetent.
My bad I didn’t know you knew a statistically significant portion of venezuelans of a random array of educational, economic, and cultural backgrounds. This is for real the first time some gringo tells me they know a Russian/Venezuelan/Cuban/Chinese/whatever somebody (making them basically an authority on the subject).
I guess the sanctions that were designed precisely for the purpose of causing unrest have nothing to do with the people desperate or angry enough to go to those Nazi-ass countries being very dissatisfied with the situation at home. What a fucking revelation, I’m telling you.
Dude. Venezuelans know enough about their own country’s political climate to know when things are not as they seem. This is especially true when 2/3rds of the country voted against him in the last election. It’s pretty hard to gaslight that many people, all at once. If it was “close”, people wouldn’t all be looking around at each other saying, “What the fuck just happened?”
And if you want to talk about how bad the sanctions are, maybe explain why everything Maduro does in response to those sanctions, actually makes things worse for regular Venezuelans? Every policy he puts in place, makes it even harder for people to buy things, or to save money, or even just to find work.
You tell me. What do you know about what people are going through there? I don’t know anyone who thinks what Maduro has done, has made anything better for them. He’s had over ten years to make some kind of progress…but all he’s done is abandon all the policies that actually helped people, and implement new ones punishing people just for trying to get by on their own.
Yeah I guess theyre just bad at math or something, sanctions don’t have an impact, that’s why the usa imposes them
accusation: nuh uhhhh
reality: youre a bozo
Venezuela isn’t being hit any harder than any other country the US has beef with. Those other countries aren’t all collapsing under the weight of those sanctions. In every other case, they’ve managed to find a stable equilibrium within their own means. So, why is Venezuela so different? Why isn’t Iran experiencing rolling blackouts in a weekly basis? Why is Cuba able to fund cutting edge medical research?
Venezuela has no shortage of natural resources at its disposal, and also no shortage of countries willing to do business with them, despite the sanctions. There is no reason why they should have failed so completely, to maintain even a minimum level of economic stability.
But, they haven’t. They’re unique in both their economic and infrastructural collapse, as well as their out of control inflation. Almost everything they’ve done over the last two decades has made their situation worse than it should have been. It’s like they took all the available options, and chose the ones that would cause the most damage.
You are a bot for the USA against Venezuela, the USA has attempted more than a dozen coups in this country . Full stop. Your neck is brown
Nope. My wife is Venezuelan, and most of her family were originally Chavez supporters. None of them still support Maduro at this point. He isn’t even a Socialist. He’s just an opportunistic parasite that’s taking advantage of what Chavez tried to build.
I feel for you brother.
How did you and your family feel over the past three decades as the United States attempted over 15 coups in your country?
At first, they were angry…but that was before Maduro took over. Now they just wish someone would get it over with…just hopefully without a lot of collateral damage. The shittiest part about it all is, most people there now, look at Trump like he’s the one that’s going to save them.
How fucked up is that? Things there have gotten so bad, that people even think Trump is offering something better.
The united states is an enemy to the entire world
I don’t disagree with you. That doesn’t mean that the Maduro government isn’t also corrupt and incompetent.
Why instigate an invasion when the enemy is literally at the door blowing up civilians? This makes zero sense.
Maybe the US should stop giving him excuses to use them as an universal boogeyman if they want the 16th coup attempt to work.
Maduro using the USA as a bogeyman is a lot different from going to war with the USA.
At this point, the USA is looking for an excuse to go to war and Maduro has backed down from a lot of positions to keep the USA from having any excuses.
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The first Trump administration did the same thing to Iran that this administration is trying to do to Venezuela, get the weaker nation to do something that would be construed as a casus belli to justify regime change. Trump wants to be a wartime president without being the aggressor.
Maduro may be bleeding support, but Venezuela can’t win a war against the USA and Trump is looking for any excuse to go to war. Having an American ship parked off shore should be enough to pull in some patriotic support. However, any aggression against the USA now could be used as an excuse for regime change.
Except there was no regime change in Iran. They just rattled their swords for the crowd, which is all they’re doing now.
And for the record, the US has a long history of losing to so-called “weaker countries”, when asymmetrical warfare is involved. The only war they actually managed to “finish” recently, was the invasion of Iraq…and that was largely because the Iraqi population wasn’t actually trying to fight back. Venezuela would not be the same.
And I’m not trying to say this would be a smart move by Maduro…just desperation. Right now, half the population in Venezuela don’t even believe the government when they say there’s an American fleet parked offshore. The government has been saying shit like that every other week for the last 12 years, and it always turns out to either be totally overblown, or straight up bullshit. People there just aren’t buying into the propaganda like they used to. Which is never a good sign for a dictatorship that relies on fear mongering, in order to maintain loyalty.
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