💪 Another region liberated from the Empire’s Nazi regime!
“Liberated”? Hilarious. That’s like saying I “liberated” your wallet, when I took it from your pocket.
So, how should we call it when people are “not liberated” from the regime that doesn’t let people escape the country and that kidnaps people off the streets and sends them to die in the meatgrinder?
I always thought that the word for that is liberated, but I’d gladly learn a better one :)
No one was preventing anyone from leaving the country…they just don’t get to take the land with them. That’s not how it works. The word for that is “stealing”.
You probably misunderstood what I meant :)
By not allowing people to escape I meant this: https://theconversation.com/why-banning-men-from-leaving-ukraine-violates-their-human-rights-178411
By kidnapping people off the streets I meant this (and well, hundreds of other sources): https://uadraftmuseum.ch/
So let me ask you once again, when someone frees people from that, what is a more appropriate word than liberation? :)
Conscription has always violated human rights but there are certainly better words like “conquer”. And let’s not pretend Russia isn’t also conscripting men (though certainly not those in their 50s).
Conscription has always violated human rights
Well, that’s true, at least we can agree on that :)
What happens in Ukraine isn’t even “conscription” tho, it’s literally just masked men hunting other men on the streets and kidnapping them into vans (grab first ask questions later). Just look up “busification” (word of the year 2024 according to some Ukrainian dictionary organization btw) if you want to see more.
there are certainly better words like “conquer”
Why would you think that “conquer” is more appropriate than “liberation” in this context? When hostages are freed, and can now do whatever they want (instead of just being hostages), do you say they were conquered or maybe liberated? Same situation here.
Well TIL. But to call it liberation isn’t correct. America is also kidnapping people from their homes and work places but to say of another country was to invade and take a territory wouldn’t be the same as liberation. Liberation has a higher standard where the people of the land receive sovereignty and a self-determined government.
America is also kidnapping people from their homes and work places
Are you talking about ICE?
Well, I think it’s a question of scale.
If somebody invaded USA to liberate “illegals” (so, after taking power, “illegals” would have the same rights as “legals”), I would also call that a liberation, but only for that group of people. I wouldn’t say that USA as a whole got liberated though, because obviously this is just a small group that received additional liberties.
It’s different in case of Ukraine. Almost every single family (apart from the rich ones, obviously) is a potential subject to kidnapping (and killing/wounding) of their men. So here it’s liberating everyone, therefore I don’t think there is more appropriate word than liberation.
That’s already after the initial crime has been committed…and is a direct result of it.
It also intentionally mischaracterized what that article is talking about. Russia isn’t “liberating” the people in those regions. They are stealing that land, and calling it “liberation”.
Russia isn’t “liberating” the people in those regions. They are stealing that land, and calling it “liberation”.
But it is. And I literally just told you why - the people on the liberated territories gain more freedoms (or liberties, as in liberated ;) ), freedom of movement, freedom of leaving the country, freedom of not being kidnapped off the street, freedom to vote for political parties parties, freedom to speak whatever language they want, etc. etc. etc.
This is literally the dictionary definition of word " liberation" :)
Also, they are not stealing land, what are you talking about? The land / real estate in the liberated territories still belongs to the people that live there, nothing changed (well, except those people having rights and liberties instead of being Zelensky’s cannon fodder).
Russia also drafts civilians. Hundreds of thousands of them, so far. So, what you are saying, is pure bullshit. Russia doesn’t give a fuck how many civilians die for Putin’s war.
If they did care, it would be the easiest thing in the world to solve. Just withdraw their troops and go home. Everyone lives. The ongoing death toll has always been up to them. They chose this.
Russia also drafts civilians. Hundreds of thousands of them, so far.
Ah, silly me, look like I felt victim to tankie propaganda, I thought in Russia people join the army because there are monetary incentives to do so! Can you now please share a page similar to https://uadraftmuseum.ch/ documenting how evil Russian empire kidnaps people off the streets, beats and busifies them, so that I can finally break free from the propaganda? Thank you very much!
