There are a variety of reasons why Rust binaries tend to be bigger unless you follow some of those guidelines, but the biggest one (and actually not something those guidelines recommend changing!) is that C is generally dynamically linked against a system version of the C standard library, whereas Rust binaries are statically linked by default, meaning that the binary is actually self-contained.
That’s not a fair comparison at all. Busybox is specifically optimized for size, and to accomplish that, leaves out a large number of GNU compatibility features; uutils is designed to mimic GNU as closely as possible, and I’m assuming that the binary you’re looking at is not the “small-release” build. Just to see what that looks like, I’ve built it that way now and that puts it under 7 MiB; still much larger than busybox, but it shows how much the optimization choices matter.
That’s not a fair comparison at all. Busybox is specifically optimized for size, and to accomplish that, leaves out a large number of GNU compatibility features
Such as? busybox provides a nice interactive shell, awk, bc, wget and much more. I know GNU awk has a lot more features than posix awk but awk is not part of the uutils anyways.
busybox also implements [[ from bash, none of this is provided by uutils or coreutils.
EDIT: busybox also provides grep while the uutils/coreutils don’t.
I’ve built it that way now and that puts it under 7 MiB; still much larger than busybox, but it shows how much the optimization choices matter.
I’m assuming this uses -Os which means performance hit, (iirc busybox also uses -Os so it is fair comparison), still we are looking at 7x larger binary.
The utilities in BusyBox generally have fewer options than their full-featured GNU cousins; however, the options that are included provide the expected functionality and behave very much like their GNU counterparts…
BusyBox has been written with size-optimization and limited resources in mind.
Neither of these is true for uutils, which is specifically targeting perfect GNU compatibility. I don’t think there is a comparable Rust project for minimized utilities.
The ill-informed Rust hatred goes in the Phoronix comments. Rust isn’t inherently slower than C. This was a bug.
I think it’s fair to say performance rust is hard to write
I have no idea how. I write better Rust than I do C 🤷♂️
Rust and C are basically identical in terms of performance (more or less). Idk where the myth that Rust is somehow less performant than C came from.
It depends on what you are counting as “performance”
Good C code is way better than mediocre Rust code. C also has much smaller binaries.
If your goal is small binaries, it’s possible to get them with Rust, too: https://github.com/johnthagen/min-sized-rust
There are a variety of reasons why Rust binaries tend to be bigger unless you follow some of those guidelines, but the biggest one (and actually not something those guidelines recommend changing!) is that C is generally dynamically linked against a system version of the C standard library, whereas Rust binaries are statically linked by default, meaning that the binary is actually self-contained.
rust still produces larger binaries even if you compare it to static C binaries.
Take for example busybox, you can compile all of it as a single 1.2 MiB static binary that provides 395 utilities including wget.
Meanwhile the uutils static musl binary is 12 MiB and only provides 115 utilities.
That’s not a fair comparison at all. Busybox is specifically optimized for size, and to accomplish that, leaves out a large number of GNU compatibility features; uutils is designed to mimic GNU as closely as possible, and I’m assuming that the binary you’re looking at is not the “small-release” build. Just to see what that looks like, I’ve built it that way now and that puts it under 7 MiB; still much larger than busybox, but it shows how much the optimization choices matter.
Such as? busybox provides a nice interactive shell,
awk,bc,wgetand much more. I know GNU awk has a lot more features than posix awk but awk is not part of the uutils anyways.busybox also implements
[[from bash, none of this is provided by uutils or coreutils.EDIT: busybox also provides grep while the uutils/coreutils don’t.
I’m assuming this uses
-Oswhich means performance hit, (iirc busybox also uses -Os so it is fair comparison), still we are looking at 7x larger binary.From the busybox “about” page:
Neither of these is true for uutils, which is specifically targeting perfect GNU compatibility. I don’t think there is a comparable Rust project for minimized utilities.